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Men Going Their Own Way
Quote: «Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) refers to men committed to self-determination. Referring to oneself as a Man Going His Own Way (MGHOW) is a statement of self-ownership and a declaration that a man has the supreme right to decide what his goals in life will be as opposed to having his goals dictated by others who, in preference to self-determination, prescribe utility-based roles for males entailing servitude to women and society.» - A Voice for Men Quote: «MGTOW
Refers to 'men going their own way'. The term describes a group of men who believe that their social isolation, passive-aggressive behavior, not having children, and theories they posted online will collapse society as it is.» - The Incel Wiki
MGTOW vs PUA
MGTOW vs Incel
- MGTOW vs Incel - Sandman (February 7, 2019) (Size: 12:45 min.) (Incel)
- MGTOW v Incel - Chest Guy MGTOW (November 10, 2017) (Size: 10:23 min.)
- Dialogue with MGTOW Founders - Rocking MrE (July 6, 2012) (Size: 59:33 min.)
| A MGTOW Manifesto
A Raw Deal
We hold to the view that men are systematically and individually pressured on a regular basis to accept a "raw deal" from women and from institutions. This is done via the manipulation of the male ego: redefining honor and shame on a regular basis to hook men into eternal, ever-increasing service to fulfil inexhaustible demands.
From institutions, this firstly means taxation coming from the man, going largely to women, and being made to feel guilty that paying up to half his income into such a system is not enough. Indeed, a significant fraction of his own money is sent directly toward organizations that promote open hatred of men, such as feminist organizations and the women's studies departments of universities. As many feminist men learn too late, it is impossible to win approval from institutional feminism; he will be eternally subject to the carrots and stick to drive his ego to greater and greater service toward a system that does not love or care for him.
From women, men are individually asked on a regular basis to cater to women roleplaying the "damsel in distress." This can best be described as times when a woman is perfectly capable of doing something on her own, but feigns helplessness to get men to do the work for her. Alternatively, a woman may shame a man for not catering to her whims and views.
On one end of the damselling spectrum, a spendthrift wife may shame her husband to work excessive hours (and perhaps also using sex as an extra weapon of manipulation) to buy a house, possessions, and vacations to make her look superior to her friends. On the other end, there is a general expectation that if a man needs help with anything, he is on his own, wheras if women need help with anything, men must not only drop what they are doing and help because it is "honorable," but they also must simultaneously affirm that the women they are helping are "equal" or in many ways "better" than they are.
We hold that the above are but a tiny fraction of the multitude of ways that men are manipulated through their ego to willingly accept, and want, a raw deal. We hold that such a system is not just, and is not a fundamentally sound society. Finally, we hold that the primary means of manipulating the male ego begin imbuing men with the notion that their value as a man is measured solely in terms of women's approval.
The MGTOW Response
MGTOW, before it was a movement of any sort, was a philosophical observation of the raw deal, and a prediction of what would come next. Namely, the original MGTOW rightly judged that not all men would deny the truth and buy the raw deal. Instead, men would start "opting out" or "going their own way" without regard for the carrots and sticks directed at their ego. An influential writer from that time, the Zen Priest, put it this way:
Men have lost as much ground as they have in this war because they were intimidated into silence by the millions of fembots and their near-male syncophants screaming the BIG LIE in unison.
The fundamental weakness of the BIG LIE strategy is that it only works when it IS a lie. If men had ever hated women as much as the feminidiots claim men have, the femdroids would have never gotten to first base. It is has been men's desire to maintain some social honor that led to them being silenced by accusations that any criticism of feminism equated to "hating women."
So, now freed from the fear of being called "woman haters" which silenced them for so long, men must now begin to speak the BIG TRUTH!
Since that time, the prediction of MGTOW has now manifested as actual men, who have shrugged off the manipulation of their ego, and are now choosing to live in the manner that is most consistent with what they consider to be the best outcome for their own life. For MGTOW, manliness is therefore intertwined with personal freedom, taking leadership over one's own life, and masculinity as it has long been understood, as opposed to the twisted versions that have come out in recent history.
The dividing line between MGTOW and Men's Rights Activisism, or MRA, is the perspective on the need for political activism.
MRA requires (or at least, highly encourages) all members to start or continue building activist organizations, and lobbying for various changes in the laws so that men have special rights, much like other groups. MGTOW, being focused on individual men first taking individual actions, does not require political activism. Instead, the main form of activism, should any exist, is the simple encouragement of more men to Go Their Own Way, and for men to individually act.
MGTOW action can best be summed up as a doctrine of non-contribution. By actively minimizing contributions to society by simply living a contented life, individual MGTOW can in fact reduce the extent to which they must work and spend, thus reducing revenue that comes from forced transfers of wealth from men to women. One further, optional step is for MGTOW to do business with each other, reducing societal contributions further.
The main reason for the non-contribution approach is again a recognition of the male ego being an avenue for exploitation. By not having a monolithic organization, there is no organization head to insult, manipulate, or blackmail. When there are a million men speaking truth, attacking any one man will not substantially impact the mass. MGTOW may of course join and influence other organizations, but the nature of MGTOW is that a "MGTOW Organization" should not exist, and any such organization claiming to be such, has in fact excluded itself.
Relationships With Women
One observation by MGTOW over the years is that manipulation of men by women is a universal or near-universal female quality, and as such, any binding commitment with women will open a man up to manipulation and abuse. This view, the "separatist" view,calls for a general withdrawal from relationships with women, and is very much part of the "non-contribution" doctrine.
Another observation put forward by some of the first MGTOW is that in other times and other nations there is a healthier equilibrium between men and women. In this, the "restorationist" view, it is possible for men to find or build an environment that holds three basic values: masculine men, feminine women, and limited government. Given the MGTOW perspective on activism, the goal of a restorationist is not to "bring back the good old days" through a ballot box, but to find or build an environment that is consistent with the three values. However, unlike the MRA, the restorationst MGTOW pursues restoration by mastering himself, and inspiring men to do likewise.
Next, there is a group tangential to MGTOW, known as the pickup artists or PUAs. These men avocate for men to learn certain 'skills' or 'secret codes' that will give them mastery over women. While social skills and understanding female value is useful, there is one critical difference between MGTOW and the PUA community. PUA still carries the notion that "not getting any" is shameful and makes a man much less of a man. MGTOW is predicated on the rejection of female approval as a standard of manliness, therefore PUA will remain at most tangential.
An additional tangent group is the "traditional conservatives," or tradcons (in reality, they are neither traditional nor conservative). These are people who are superficially antifeminist, who want to coerce all men and women to live in very carefully defined lifestyles and roles. These are distinctly different from the restorationist MGTOW because the restorationists first understand that a successful form of living between men and women may involve more than one kind of lifestyle. Further, the tradcon does not hold to the value of limited government interference (a fundamental value for MGTOW), and further continues to define men's value in terms of winning the approval of women, albeit in a different form.
A number of outsiders will often accuse MGTOW of "hating women." This is false. MGTOW merely rejects the notion that a man's value is measured in how quickly he bows down to serve women. MGTOW can feel whatever way they want about any particular woman or women in general, and perhaps most terrifying of all (to women and institutions), with cool, dispassionate reason.
Some may also ask if MGTOW has any kind of demands or conditions that would cause them to "lay down arms." MGTOW is an equilibrium or force of nature, there is no magic formula to make it disappear. Indeed, some men have been so jaded by widespread shaming of manhood that there is no solution at all. However, if one really, really needs to be told what to do, this quote from an observant MGTOW should point them in the right direction:You know the sad part about all this? All it would take for women would be to cut their financial expectations by 30 percent, hold down a part time job, and treat men even half-way decently. Most guys would hold on until death if women just met these completely reasonable (and might I add, trivially easy to pull off) conditions.
- Wiki4Men: Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
- The Incel Wiki: Glossary - MGTOW
- Techpriest Enginseer: A MGTOW Manifesto, The Niceguy on 23 November, 2018
- The Incel Wiki has an article about MGTOW
- mgtow.com (MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way)
- MGTOW Wiki: MGTOW
- MGTOW films
- Top 10 MGTOW Movie Moments - Sandman 2 (September 24, 2017) (Size: 15:42 min.)
- More MGTOW Movie Clips - Sandman 2 (July 9, 2018) (Size: 18:26 min.)
- What are MGTOW's Demands - Mgtow Values (September 22, 2017) (Size: 7:34 min.)
- Social Justice: Cry-Cis (Feature Presentation) - Vernaculis (April 26, 2015) (Size: 74:10 min.)
- The Greatest Documentary On Feminism Ever Made - MGTOW - MGTOWN (December 16, 2016) (Size: 74:10 min.)
- Feminism Exposed - MGTOWN (December 20, 2016) (Size: 9:19 min.) (Feminism)
- mgtow1.blogspot.ca - Canadian MGTOW
- Five Mistakes Men Make with Women - Howard Dare (December 10, 2016) (Size: 13:49 min.)
- Sell me marriage and fail (MGTOW) - George Clooney[wp] (November 29, 2014) (Size: 1:02 min.)
- Sexodus: Why MGTOW will keep growing (November 8, 2014) (Size: 11:10 min.)
- The Sexodus:
- Part 1: The Men Giving Up on Women and Checking Out of Society, December 4, 2014
- Part 2: Dishonest Feminist Panics Leave Male Sexuality in Crisis, December 9, 2014
- The World Is Rejecting Feminism - Angry MGTOW (December 7, 2016) (Size: 48:00 min.)
- Where Did All The Good Men Go - Angry MGTOW (December 7, 2016) (Size: 61:34 min.)
- Brothers Are Just Resources For Sisters - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 15:40 min.)
- For Single Mothers The End Is Near - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 66:17 min.)
- The Era Of Female Supremacy Is Almost Over - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 61:40 min.)
- The Red Pill Rage - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 64:28 min.) (Red pill)
- Where Did All The Manly Men Go? - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 9:18 min.)
- Women Hate Women - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 62:09 min.)
- Women Will Go Extinct (Special Edition) - Angry MGTOW (December 5, 2016) (Size: 30:31 min.)
- Women Are Emotional Abusers - Angry MGTOW (December 4, 2016) (Size: 31:46 min.)
- Egalitarianism Will Become The New Feminism - Angry MGTOW (December 3, 2016) (Size: 31:38 min.)
- The Coming Backlash Against Women - Angry MGTOW (December 3, 2016) (Size: 74:11 min.) (Backlash)
- Women After The Economic Collapse - Angry MGTOW (December 2, 2016) (Size: 37:02 min.)
- Woman Says "Dear Men I'm Sorry For Feminism" - Angry MGTOW (December 2, 2016) (Size: 23:43 min.)
- Women Will Go Extinct (Special Edition) - Angry MGTOW (December 2, 2016) (Size: 30:30 min.)
- Angry Mangina Syndrome - Angry MGTOW (December 1, 2016) (Size: 32:41 min.) (Mangina)
- Women Are Tools Not Enemies - Angry MGTOW (December 1, 2016) (Size: 60:30 min.)
- Women Can Never Truly Love Anything - Angry MGTOW (December 1, 2016) (Size: 32:19 min.)
- Women Will Regret Feminism For Generations - Angry MGTOW (December 1, 2016) (Size: 41:06 min.)
- Asian Women Are Not Saints - Angry MGTOW (November 30, 2016) (Size: 34:35 min.)
- Women Are Jerks - Angry MGTOW (November 30, 2016) (Size: 15:43 min.)
- A Cautionary Tale For Younger Men - Angry MGTOW (November 28, 2016) (Size: 34:45 min.)
- Women in the Apocalypse - Angry MGTOW (November 27, 2016) (Size: 69:36 min.)
- Women Are A Waste Of Time - Angry MGTOW (November 26, 2016) (Size: 32:46 min.)
- Women Are Irrelevant - Angry MGTOW (November 25, 2016) (Size: 153:40 min.)
- Women Are A Bad Investment - Angry MGTOW (November 22, 2016) (Size: 73:15 min.)
- A Generation Of Degenerate Women - Angry MGTOW (November 21, 2016) (Size: 79:11 min.)
- The New World Order - Angry MGTOW (November 19, 2016) (Size: 104:50 min.)
- Pretending Women - Sandman (Abril 27, 2015) (Size: 10:36 min.)
- Female Doublespeak - Sandman (Abril 26, 2015) (Size: 11:31 min.)
- Marriage vs. MGTOW - YouTube-Comments - Rebutted! - Stefan Molyneux (April 6, 2015) (Size: 14:34 min.)
- Rich Men - Sandman (March 30, 2015) (Size: 10:31 min.)
- Lonely Women - Sandman (March 9, 2015) (Size: 10:54 min.)
- Hardly Working Women - Sandman (March 29, 2015) (Size: 11:17 min.)
- Future of Relationships? - Sandman (February 28, 2014) (Size: 10:07 min.)
- Women & THE WALL - Sandman (January 31, 2014) (Size: 8:20 min.)
- Objectification of Women - Sandman (January 30, 2015) (Size: 10:58 min.)
- Eastern Women - Sandman (January 26, 2015) (Size: 10:13 min.)
- Economics of Attraction - Sandman (January 7, 2015) (Size: 10:00 min.)
- Why Women Hate - Sandman (November 15, 2014) (Size: 10:27 min.)
- The "Ideal" Woman - Sandman (October 8, 2014) (Size: 12:15 min.)
- Angry Mangina Syndrome - Sandman (September 18, 2014) (Size: 10:38 min.) (Mangina)
- Introduction to MGTOW - Sandman (August 24, 2014) (Size: 11:29 min.) (With regards to becoming a MGTOW there are four to five different levels to MGTOW. The first level is the purple pill man. This is a man that is aware that women use the the government, courts and the men's desire to reproduce to take advantage of men but a purple pill man believes the risks of a relationship and marriage are worth the potential punishment. A level two mgtow believes in dating and short term relationships but not marriage, long term relationships or co-habitation with women. A level three MGTOW doesn't believe in dating women at all and limits his interactions with women as much as possible. A level four MGTOW tries to limit his interactions with the state and everyone as much as possible. He is what is referred to as ghosting or trying to stay invisible to women and the state.)
- Male Shit Tests - Sandman (August 8, 2014) (Size: 10:08 min.)
- Pick-up Artists - Sandman (August 6, 2014) (Size: 10:33 min.) (Pickup artist)
- The Cock Carousel - Sandman (July 22, 2014) (Size: 10:29 min.) (Cock carousel)
- Canadian Prostitution Law - Sandman (June 5, 2014) (Size: 10:27 min.)
- Dating - Sandman (June 3, 2014) (Size: 10:32 min.)
- Female Narcissism - Sandman (May 22, 2014) (Size: 12:05 min.)
- Shaming Single Men - Sandman (May 16, 2014) (Size: 10:43 min.)
- The Market for Lemons - Sandman (May 9, 2014) (Size: 11:03 min.)
- Friendzone Revenge - Sandman (May 2, 2014) (Size: 10:02 min.)
- Church Ladies - Sandman (Abril 8, 2014) (Size: 10:00 min.)
- Briffault's Law - Sandman (March 23, 2014) (Size: 12:27 min.) (Briffault's Law)
- Blue Pill Blues - Sandman (March 13, 2014) (Size: 10:09 min.)
- Red Pill Rage - Sandman (March 11, 2014) (Size: 10:00 min.) (Red pill)
- Women & Their Male Harems - Sandman (January 27, 2014) (Size: 10:11 min.)
- Prostitution in Germany - Sandman (January 15, 2014) (Size: 8:13 min.) (The German government legalized prostitution in 2002. Since then about 10-20 billion dollars flows through the economy through the legalization of prostitution. Germany has become the cut-rate prostitution capital of the world and men from all over the world are flocking there. But the feminists are trying to stop the all you can eat brothel buffet.)
- Gender Warfare in Sweden - Sandman (January 9, 2014) (Size: 10:19 min.)
- Prostitution in France - Sandman (January 9, 2014) (Size: 8:10 min.)
- The Misandry Treadmill - Men Will Never Satisfy Women - Sandman (November 7, 2013) (Size: 14:45 min.) (Women nag men because it's part of evolution or the "Red Queen Theory". Men's role is to push human evolution forward. Women have the role of raising men and nurturing them for that role.)
- MGTOW Basics - SixSensessss (June 4, 2013)
- Good Women are a Myth - sexyMGTOW (March 1, 2015) (Size: 3:01 min.)
- Paul Elam Sold Out - MGTOW PURGE (March 5, 2015) (Size: 24:27 min.) (A MGTOW reponse to Paul Elam, reffering to)
- MGTOW Movie - Red Pill Men vs Blue Pill Manginas - BLOKES (February 2, 2015) (Size: 2:42 min.)
- MGTOW Red Pill Moments #8 Boys NEED Their Fathers (January 26, 2015) (Size: 6:06 min.)
- MGTOW Red Pill Moments #5 Independent Women. There's no such thing (December 10, 2014) (Size: 5:38 min.) (Truly "Independent" women are harder to find than a NAWALT)
- American women vs. Foreign Women? (August 13, 2014) (Size: 4:49 min.)
- MGTOW - American Women vs. Foreign Women (December 9, 2013) (Size: 29:24 min.)
- Honey Badger Radio: Men Going Their Own Way, A Voice for Men - Radio Show on October 18, 2013
- Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac[wp] (1977) (Size: 3:23 min.)
- Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac (2013) (Size: 6:47 min.)
- Wikipedia has an article about Go Your Own Way
- Fleetwood Mac: Go Your Own Way (Lyrics)
- Six Reasons Why Men Are Avoiding Marriage / Women against feminism UK - WomenagainstfeminismUK (Abril 4, 2015) (Size: 3:36 min.)
- So Called Nawalts - MGTOWJaye (March 27, 2015) (Size: 6:31 min.)
- If Men can't lead, women won't follow - MGTOWJaye (January 27, 2015) (Size: 9:05 min.)
- Emotionally Unstable Women - MGTOWJaye (January 25, 2015) (Size: 5:03 min.)
- Beware of Anti-feminist Women (April 11, 2015) (Size: 12:50 min.) (Remember gentlemen, females always have an underlying agenda at hand, that of which doesn't always serve your best interest.)
- 0:35 - Marriage vs. Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)
7:52 - Fifty Shades of Grey, Feminists and Predation
11:58 - I've Never Met a Racist White Man